Serpentine front dress discussion

[Woodscaper]

Anything special about swapping pulley to the stock v-belt on these alternators ?

[Eck]

Anything special about swapping pulley to the stock v-belt on these alternators ?

Not really. I bought a dual pulley from Duff (got it from Summit)- the only thing you may need to do is add washers for spacing to line up your belts.

[Woodscaper]

Anything special about swapping pulley to the stock v-belt on these alternators ?

Not really. I bought a dual pulley from Duff (got it from Summit)- the only thing you may need to do is add washers for spacing to line up your belts.

So do I need a different pully? Or can I use the stock one and just shim it?
(Is the shaft size the same diameter? )
Thanks.

[Gunnibronco]

They should be the same. You'll probably want to figure a double V-belt set up. The higher amperage comes with more drag on the belts. Belt squeal should be expected, especially on start up, even with a double v-belt.

[Woodscaper]

They should be the same. You'll probably want to figure a double V-belt set up. The higher amperage comes with more drag on the belts. Belt squeal should be expected, especially on start up, even with a double v-belt.

Now its starting to sound like a serp swap!!!! Lol, Damn snowball effect!
I do want to run an electric fan too so maybe a new pully system or serp is in order anyway.

[Gunnibronco]

Manufacturers switched to serps when they switched to high amp alternators to deal with the increased power consumption by ECUs and EFI.

[akaFrankCastle]

They should be the same. You'll probably want to figure a double V-belt set up. The higher amperage comes with more drag on the belts. Belt squeal should be expected, especially on start up, even with a double v-belt.

Now its starting to sound like a serp swap!!!! Lol, Damn snowball effect!
I do want to run an electric fan too so maybe a new pully system or serp is in order anyway.

Better get to the COS UPull and hit up one of the Exploders. I won't say we have a lot, but we have enough.

[Woodscaper]

They should be the same. You'll probably want to figure a double V-belt set up. The higher amperage comes with more drag on the belts. Belt squeal should be expected, especially on start up, even with a double v-belt.

Now its starting to sound like a serp swap!!!! Lol, Damn snowball effect!
I do want to run an electric fan too so maybe a new pully system or serp is in order anyway.

Better get to the COS UPull and hit up one of the Exploders. I won't say we have a lot, but we have enough.

Next question, what all do I need to pull to be successful?

[akaFrankCastle]

To be careful, just pull everything from the fan back to the driveshafts. Lol

I have a list somewhere. But I'm sure someone will beat me to posting.

[akaFrankCastle]

[Woodscaper]

Are you kidding me!!! My power steering pump has to go! And a new water pump...Damn man.
Better start a new thread (or move half of this one) lol.

[akaFrankCastle]

Are you kidding me!!! My power steering pump has to go! And a new water pump...Damn man.
Better start a new thread (or move half of this one) lol.

Done.

Now, which pump are you running?

[Woodscaper]

Are you kidding me!!! My power steering pump has to go! And a new water pump...Damn man.
Better start a new thread (or move half of this one) lol.

Done.

Now, which pump are you running?

Wow your good!
I have the high volume pump and reservoir from Wild Horses, also running a ram assist.

[akaFrankCastle]

Got it. In your case, you'll either want a serpentine front dress from a van, or maybe the van PS pump bracket (they used Saginaw pumps) will work with an explorer dress. Don't know if it will work between the two though.

[Woodscaper]

Well I will need to go do some digging at the pull yard. Thanks Zach.

[akaFrankCastle]

Yup.

I see fewer vans here with 5.0s than 5.8s.
Explorers run about 3-4 a month, maybe.

I'm going to give the van set up a go on my 5.8.

[Woodscaper]

Any years better than others??

[akaFrankCastle]

I really couldn't say for 5.0s. For the 5.8s anything with a "F4TE" part number prefix is supposed to work.

[Viperwolf1]

Got it. In your case, you'll either want a serpentine front dress from a van, or maybe the van PS pump bracket (they used Saginaw pumps) will work with an explorer dress. Don't know if it will work between the two though.

Won't work without major mods. Explorer serp places the belt in a plane closer to the engine than any other serp system.

[Gunnibronco]

The Explorer serp set up is most desirable because it is short, and fits behind our radiators the easiest. Wild Horses makes a bracket to use the Saginaw pump with the Explorer serp.

Truck serps are a little longer, but it looks like most have made it fit. Trucks used a PS pump that are known to be shitty. You can use a PS bracket from a van (5.0 or 5.8- I think) that fits the Saginaw pump, to the truck serp. You can search this on CB.com and come up with a few threads.

All these serp set ups came from trucks with EFI, so all used electric fuel pumps. The timing chain covers will not accept a mechanical fuel pump. Keep that in mind.

[Woodscaper]

It must be my lucky day. I went to the pull and pay and scored a serp set up. I have to go back for the timing cover and balancer tho, I did not have an impact or a socket big enough.

[Kinder]

Be very careful with the timing cover, top two bolt corrode easily and will break off in the heads. Balancer puller is needed, also 3 very long metric bolts, I can't remember their size, maybe 8 or 10?

[Woodscaper]

Be very careful with the timing cover, top two bolt corrode easily and will break off in the heads. Balancer puller is needed, also 3 very long metric bolts, I can't remember their size, maybe 8 or 10?

Thanks Kirk for the tips, wanna go with? Or is that damn job getting in the way! Haha...

[Moab Mike]

Jeff and I are going Sunday (Father's Day). Last year everything was half price except for admission.

[Justin]

Which one are you going to and do you want company? I might be interested.

[Woodscaper]

So I have everything you see in this picture:
Right and Left brackets
Timing cover
Waterpump and pully
Balancer/pully
Fan & clutch
Alternator
Belt
Belt tensioner
Power steering pump and reservoir (not sure what to do about this yet)
I will buy new gaskets and seals

Is there anything else I'm missing?

Also, is the stock oil pan going to line up with this timing cover?
And will the water pump work ? I saw something about reverse flow Water pump??

[Viperwolf1]

What you need is a tech article. http://classicbroncos.com/forums/showth ... p?t=158868

Use the Lee adapter only for the PS pump.

[Woodscaper]

Thank you Phil, that's very helpful.
I do have one question, has anybody had a balancer rebalaced? Is it cheaper to buy the aftermarket balancer or have one machined ??
If machined than a referral for a shop that will do it in under a week turnaround? Or do it locally at least?

[Moab Mike]

This may be an option too.

http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/product/Cu ... orer5front

[Viperwolf1]

This may be an option too.

http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/product/Cu ... orer5front

There have been reports of those driven auto pulleys causing squealing.