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almost everything just died

Postby Stubborn3 » Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:33 pm

So im at the 7-11 with the kids and the truck starts then dies as I'm backing out. Now it wont start, no headlights no functioning gauges, turning the key makes no noise... nothing. The aux fan and fuel pumps do work but I think they go right to the battery. Everything seems hooked up and connected. Any thoughts on what quit? solenoid or maybe a switch, ignition or similar??
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Justin » Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:46 pm

I'm terrible with electricity, but my first thought is that you may have gotten a short somewhere and cooked your fusible link. It's a sacrificial piece of wire where your main wiring harness connects to your battery. Ignore this if you're not running a stock harness.
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Stubborn3 » Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:56 pm

I have no idea if the wiring is original but its my feeling that it is. So how does one find fix/replace this fusible link. There is additional stuff going on as far as radio fuel pump etc so while its easier than a new car, im not an electricity dude either
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Stubborn3 » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:46 pm

After googling fusible link I still cant see one for sure. There is what looks like a black wire that has been soldered to a yellow one with an inline fuse? It comes off the starter solenoid but appears to be intact with fuse still good
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almost everything just died

Postby akaFrankCastle » Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:11 pm

Stubborn3 wrote:After googling fusible link I still cant see one for sure. There is what looks like a black wire that has been soldered to a yellow one with an inline fuse? It comes off the starter solenoid but appears to be intact with fuse still good


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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Kinder » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:20 pm

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Re: almost everything just died

Postby akaFrankCastle » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:46 pm

0 volts at the ignition post on the solenoid with key in run position. Trouble shooting from there.
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Digger » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:53 pm

I had something similar happen with a 280Z. Ended up being a bad battery cable. Looked okay, but couldn't carry current.
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Viperwolf1 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:36 pm

akaFrankCastle wrote:0 volts at the ignition post on the solenoid with key in run position. Trouble shooting from there.


Check fusible link and the 10g wire connection behind the ammeter.
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Stubborn3 » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:23 pm

going to replace the wire to the number 3 post and may do a new starter solenoid and battery cables for good measure and see where we stand. Bought a new fusible link but dont see anything similar currently on here. so until I get a moment to swap this stuff out i'm grounded
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Viperwolf1 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:17 pm

The fusible link will be the first 8" of the 10g black wire on the battery side of the starter solenoid. You have to unwrap it a little to find the end of it.

Also '73?-'75 had a connector at the passenger corner of the firewall (engine side) where both sides of the 10g wire loop passes through along with the green-red wire for the voltage regulator. This connector tends to fall apart.
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby MOLLEY » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:48 pm

I had exactly the same thing happen , I ended up running new 10 gauge wire to fuse box w 40 amp large fuse in line .. That was after I replaced a few other good parts w no luck and pulled out some hair . Hope that helps if you have not fixed it yet cheers
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Stubborn3 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:30 pm

I'm assuming this is the fusible link, it's been updated as suggested above and fuse is fine going to order some new post wires and hope that is it
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Digger » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:00 pm

That yellow wire is too small for powering the whole truck.

Where does that thick blue wire go to? Is that for an accessory?


ETA:

Where does this wire go? It looks more factory. (Yellow Arrow)
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Viperwolf1 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:47 am

I agree, too small and too new. Now that one that's painted blue and wrapped in tape looks about right.
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Stubborn3 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:58 pm

The yellow wire in loom comes off the battery, turns red and looks dash light or radio related. Thicker blue wire looks stereo related as well leading into a "street wires" plastic encased fuse.
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Stubborn3 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:01 pm

Running out of ideas
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Gunnibronco » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:35 pm

I don't know if this is any help, but the cap on the fuse pictured above has cracked & isn't holding on tight. I had one similar, that did the same thing. Despite being broken, it maintained a circuit and didn't cause a problem.
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Digger » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:41 pm

Stubborn3 wrote:The yellow wire in loom comes off the battery, turns red and looks dash light or radio related. Thicker blue wire looks stereo related as well leading into a "street wires" plastic encased fuse.



I was trying to point to the one underneath the yellow wire in the loom. It's coming off the battery side post of the starter solenoid and looks to be heading down the fender. It looks fairly factory.
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Viperwolf1 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:47 pm

Stubborn3 wrote:The yellow wire in loom comes off the battery, turns red and looks dash light or radio related. Thicker blue wire looks stereo related as well leading into a "street wires" plastic encased fuse.


You appear to have some non-stock wiring going on. No one can tell where to look for the problem in this case. You need to do the detective work. Somewhere there is a large gauge wire that provides battery current inside under the dash to the ignition sw, headlight sw, and fusebox. That blue wire may be it.
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Stubborn3 » Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:44 pm

seems stock with a fair amount of ghetto fixes. After un wrapping a lot of tape it looks like the thin red wire is connected to a thicker bluish wire and a smaller yellow one off the solenoid. need a bigger connector but I think thats it so hopefully this thread will die soon. Thanks for all the help.
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Stubborn3 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:03 pm

and it's fixed...ghetto fusible link has been replaced, maybe i'll make it to a breakfast now
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Re: almost everything just died

Postby Justin » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:41 pm

Sweet!
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