Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

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Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Postby Gunnibronco » Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:32 am

This is going to sound stupid.

I've been running a 99 Mustang GT hydroboost & master cylinder on disk/drums for YEARS. On both my stock width & full width axles.

I know this isn't exactly right. I think I've read I might be lacking rear brakes because there isn't a check valve or something that would keep the rear cylinders "pumped up" between uses. I think I even read it can cause the cylinder to retract & the rear brakes can fail completely.

Since I pulled my frame mounted rear brake line, and have drained the system of fluid, I'd like to fix this now. I hate bleeding brakes, and my hatred prevents me from modifying any part of the brake system, unless absolutely necessary. So now is the time.

Can someone tell me what I need to add to the system to get it right?
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Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Postby phyler » Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:08 am

You are talking about the residual pressure valve. Most new masters don't have them even for drum/drum setups.

I am right there with you on the hatred of bleeding brakes. I have everything to do the rear swap to Explorer discs but haven't for that very reason.
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Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Postby phyler » Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:18 am

Just realized you might be needing a proportion valve to adjust the bias as well. Not sure if you are locking up the rears before the fronts.
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Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Postby Gunnibronco » Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:50 am

phyler wrote:Just realized you might be needing a proportion valve to adjust the bias as well. Not sure if you are locking up the rears before the fronts.


Sounds like I might be ok. Thanks.

I have a proportion valve installed that I don't need (don't ask- part of the reason I hate bleeding brakes). I locked up the rears with the regular F150 calipers, but switching to T-bird calipers fixed that with no need for a proportioning valve.
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Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Postby ZOSO » Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:24 am

drums require a 10psi residual valve to keep the cylinders from collapsing. disc's use 2psi or less. You can pick them up pretty cheap. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wil-2 ... /overview/

Be forewarned that with this you will need the adjustable proportioning valve.
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Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Postby Gunnibronco » Sun Feb 21, 2016 1:52 pm

Thanks Rob,

I'll leave the prop valve in.
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Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Postby cpldavis37 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:45 am

This makes bleeding brakes easy.
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Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Postby cpldavis37 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:46 am

I think I got one for $25.
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Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Postby Gunnibronco » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:26 am

I used one of those when I bled the 69 I flipped. It did go pretty well, still finished the job the 'old fashioned way' (with a helper).
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Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Postby Gunnibronco » Mon May 16, 2016 10:36 pm

ZOSO wrote:drums require a 10psi residual valve to keep the cylinders from collapsing. disc's use 2psi or less. You can pick them up pretty cheap. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wil-2 ... /overview/

Be forewarned that with this you will need the adjustable proportioning valve.


Is it important where this is installed in the rear system? Between the master & prop valve or after prop valve?
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