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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby cpldavis37 » Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:19 pm

I smoked my engine as well. Don't think of it as the end of the world. Think of it as a learning experience. I was happy when I blew my engine. It is giving me the chance to make some new friends and to learn my vehicle inside and out. Your Bronco is to awesome to drive off a cliff or give up on. I don't just own a Bronco because it is the coolest thing on or off road I own mine for the friendships and adventures that come with it. That includes blown engines.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Justin » Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:41 pm

There isn't that much to tearing down an engine. As much as this sucks, if the block is still good the parts aren't hugely expensive. A complete rebuild kit is somewhere in the $300-350 range. A big part of the expense in rebuilding an engine is in the machine work for the block. I'm not particularly experienced with the internals of the engine, but am happy to help where I can. As cpldavis said, there are folks willing to help, and most of it can be done with basic hand tools and a good book. If you can read instructions and ask questions, you can rebuild an engine.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Eck » Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:43 am

Does anyone recommend a particular book to get for rebuilding a 351W small block? There seem to be a few out there and I'm thinking of buying a couple just to cover my bases.

Although VERY frustrating that a simple oil change is flipping this dumb thing upside down- I appreciate the words of encouragement. I will take this as a learning experience and now hopefully have a better understanding of the internal components of an engine.

At least I got to drive it a little bit this summer... was hoping to put money elsewhere in the rig though.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Rox Crusher » Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:01 am

Eck wrote:Does anyone recommend a particular book to get for rebuilding a 351W small block? There seem to be a few out there and I'm thinking of buying a couple just to cover my bases.

Although VERY frustrating that a simple oil change is flipping this dumb thing upside down- I appreciate the words of encouragement. I will take this as a learning experience and now hopefully have a better understanding of the internal components of an engine.

At least I got to drive it a little bit this summer... was hoping to put money elsewhere in the rig though.


I'm guessing that if you get the parts rounded up and host an engine rebuild day / week-end................folks would probably be able to squeeze in some time to come over and help get you back on the road. Especially if you yank it out of there first and have it ready in advance.

We have a great pay it forward karma in this club and it benefits everyone to help each other out. I'm not necessarily an "engine guy" but I could lend a hand depending on the date(s).

just an idea
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Justin » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:32 am

Maybe a tech day after the August breakfast? I dont know if you want to wait till 8/15, but they're usually well attended.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Eck » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:22 am

Thanks guys! I'll probably post up something to try to get as much done in one day/weekend as I can.

Planning to get everything out and taken down. Will let you know.

Still looking for any good recommendations on books/resources.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby horseplay » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:32 am

If the rods look good you might get away with just the lower end bearing replacement ,cam and lifters. might be able to leave the heads on and not disturb the pistons. I would probably put a new set of cam bearings as well. All of this can be done in a afternoon once the engine is pulled. Might be able to help where are you located.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Eck » Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:43 pm

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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Gunnibronco » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:28 pm

Haynes & Chiltons manuals will have the process & torque specs. There are probably better books, but all the info is in those.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby akaFrankCastle » Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:42 pm

Eck wrote:Still looking for any good recommendations on books/resources.


Start watching YouTube videos on engine tear downs. Most of the people who post how to stuff on You Tube are missing a few brain cells. So, if those mouth breathers can do it, that should give you all the confidence you need. Find a bunch of videos done by different people so you can get a good idea of who knows what they are talking about and who the hacks are.

Are you planning to drop the transmission and transfer this time or keeping them in? If you are dropping them, I will try and get my transmission jack sent north now that i am (knock on wood) done with it.

Just remember, you're only 6 bellhousing bolts, two start bolts, two engine mount bolts, two heater hoses, two radiator hoses, and a bunch of wires away from being able to yank it out.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Rox Crusher » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:09 pm

aintchya got it out yet ?
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Eck » Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:57 pm

akaFrankCastle wrote:
Eck wrote:Still looking for any good recommendations on books/resources.




Are you planning to drop the transmission and transfer this time or keeping them in? If you are dropping them, I will try and get my transmission jack sent north now that i am (knock on wood) done with it.

Just remember, you're only 6 bellhousing bolts, two start bolts, two engine mount bolts, two heater hoses, two radiator hoses, and a bunch of wires away from being able to yank it out.


I've been in WA all week so no, it ain't out yet. I'll probably prep it for removal this weekend and plan to remove it next weekend.

FrankCastle- I'm gonna leave the tranny in this time. I'll tackle that over the winter I think. Along with my axle swaps...

Need to get Kinder's hoist and stand at some point to make it happen.

I've ordered 2 books that have gotten good reviews on both Amazon and CB- they arrive Saturday.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Dukietown » Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:28 am

Eck wrote:
akaFrankCastle wrote:
Eck wrote:Still looking for any good recommendations on books/resources.




Are you planning to drop the transmission and transfer this time or keeping them in? If you are dropping them, I will try and get my transmission jack sent north now that i am (knock on wood) done with it.

Just remember, you're only 6 bellhousing bolts, two start bolts, two engine mount bolts, two heater hoses, two radiator hoses, and a bunch of wires away from being able to yank it out.


I've been in WA all week so no, it ain't out yet. I'll probably prep it for removal this weekend and plan to remove it next weekend.

FrankCastle- I'm gonna leave the tranny in this time. I'll tackle that over the winter I think. Along with my axle swaps...

Need to get Kinder's hoist and stand at some point to make it happen.

I've ordered 2 books that have gotten good reviews on both Amazon and CB- they arrive Saturday.


I'd be interested to know which books you picked up and what you think of them.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby hockeydad4-22 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:39 pm

Just my personal opinion but I think it is WAAAAAAY easier to pull the trans with the engine... ok actually no but it is WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY -WAY easier to re-connect the trans with the engine out.

(not that I have had 3 different engines and 3 different transmissions and 2 different T-cases in Drew's bronco at lease 3 times each over the last 2 years....)
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Eck » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:01 pm

hockeydad4-22 wrote:Just my personal opinion but I think it is WAAAAAAY easier to pull the trans with the engine... ok actually no but it is WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY -WAY easier to re-connect the trans with the engine out.

(not that I have had 3 different engines and 3 different transmissions and 2 different T-cases in Drew's bronco at lease 3 times each over the last 2 years....)


Ahhhh....bronco creep! Must not listen! It would be way easier to do the axle swaps too! Or the EFI

I know it'll be easier to do the transmission at the same time, but I've got to get this thing driveable before I lose my mind or put any more money into it. I'm also planning to go ZF5 which will require a little bit more modification than a straight up bolt in replacement.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Justin » Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:31 pm

What axle swap are you planning? Just the d44 front, or something more exotic?
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Eck » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:49 pm

Justin wrote:What axle swap are you planning? Just the d44 front, or something more exotic?


D44 and a new rear 9"- both with ARB. Not exotic but not boring either.

Trying to decide if I should put small bearing 31 spline axles in my current 9" or start collecting big bearing parts.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Justin » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:24 pm

You say this like there is some sort of question. Once the 351w is re-manlyfied it'll eat small bearing axles for lunch.

Really, if you're going to go to the expense of getting lockers and new axles, a big bearing housing isn't much more. That's the only thing that will need changing. Finding one will likely be a PITA, but they're not that expensive. It'll allow you to run SET20 bearings, which are a nice upgrade. I think I paid something like $150 for my complete rear axle. You'll love dual ARBs. Great street manners, and the ability to have control over when you're locked is nice.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Eck » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:30 pm

Justin wrote:You say this like there is some sort of question. Once the 351w is re-manlyfied it'll eat small bearing axles for lunch.

Really, if you're going to go to the expense of getting lockers and new axles, a big bearing housing isn't much more. That's the only thing that will need changing. Finding one will likely be a PITA, but they're not that expensive. It'll allow you to run SET20 bearings, which are a nice upgrade. I think I paid something like $150 for my complete rear axle. You'll love dual ARBs. Great street manners, and the ability to have control over when you're locked is nice.


Said the guy with his Bronco on blocks all summer.

Yah- I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go big bearing at this point. Just need to find one, but I'm also not in any hurry and I'm starting to look now.

Keep your peepers peeled.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby casadejohnson » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:56 pm

Push it off a cliff? There was a brief moment in Moab where I thought you were going to back it off a cliff!

As much as this sucks, your going to have a lot more engine knowledge by the time you get done. If Kirks engine hoist is occupied, you can borrow mine. Maybe this will get me moving on my 5.8 roller build again. My power stroke crack habit is currently cutting into my bronco funds and time.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Justin » Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:37 pm

Eck wrote:
Justin wrote:Said the guy with his Bronco on blocks all summer.

Yah- I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go big bearing at this point. Just need to find one, but I'm also not in any hurry and I'm starting to look now.

Keep your peepers peeled.


Yeah, don't be dumb enough to fab most of your own front suspension....on the up side, the custom brackets from ballistic should be here tomorrow and I've got a few days off coming up.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Rox Crusher » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:20 am

Eck wrote:Yah- I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go big bearing at this point. Just need to find one, but I'm also not in any hurry and I'm starting to look now.

Keep your peepers peeled.


Hey buddy, I know a guy who knows a guy that has a big bearing 9 housing with 10.5" brakes

I bet we can work something out
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Eck » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:38 am

Rox Crusher wrote:
Eck wrote:Yah- I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go big bearing at this point. Just need to find one, but I'm also not in any hurry and I'm starting to look now.

Keep your peepers peeled.


Hey buddy, I know a guy who knows a guy that has a big bearing 9 housing with 10.5" brakes

I bet we can work something out


Shoot me a PM with what you got, condition, and what you are looking to get.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Eck » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:24 pm

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Built a work bench tonight. Ready to start rebuilding that engine.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Eck » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:51 am

Ready for action. Books arrived this morning. Image
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Justin » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:51 am

Sweet! Looking forward to progress pics.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Rox Crusher » Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:00 am

Uh oh, I feel a stroker project being born

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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby kbank6 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:44 pm

I have all the precision measuring tools when you get to that point if you want to borrow them. If we have it on a tech day then I could bring them down.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby B.O.B. » Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:05 am

I used the book one the right when I refurbed my motor. I thought it was very excellent.
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Re: Clicking sound after overheating

Postby Lobobronco » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:14 pm

Hey Eck

I have an engine hoist and stand that you are more than welcome to borrow for however long. As I live a bit closer than Kirk, they are all yours if you need them.

I am at 32nd and Sheridan...pretty close to you!

With that being said, I am only in town Monday - Wednesday, so let me know if you want to pop by and grab them.

On the other note...if I am in town, definitely down to help with the labor. I'm sure most will chime in and let you know how bad I am at labor icon biggin !

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