Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap FIXED
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Re: Wont run after Explorer serp and typhoon intake swap.
I would have to assume that it is on the comression stroke. The balancer reads 0*, the #1 piston is all the way up, and the distrubitor is pointing at the #1 wire.
If it was 180* out, it wouldn't run at all.
If it was 180* out, it wouldn't run at all.
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You are #1 on compression stroke, right.
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rtreads wrote:I would have to assume that it is on the comression stroke. The balancer reads 0*, the #1 piston is all the way up, and the distrubitor is pointing at the #1 wire.
If it was 180* out, it wouldn't run at all.
Just saw that never mind
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Just throwing some basics out there that got me beings i had not always worked on Fords. Double check the distributor firing order is set up counter clockwise and that the right and left banks are not odd and even but 1 - 4 and 5 - 6. Just some things to check.
After looking at the video a bunch it looks like all this is correct.......Have you checked spark on each wire and plug?
After looking at the video a bunch it looks like all this is correct.......Have you checked spark on each wire and plug?
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My firing order is 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8.
I have been over it about 8 times... but I am going to look it over again tonight and make sure there is a positive connection at each plug,
I have been over it about 8 times... but I am going to look it over again tonight and make sure there is a positive connection at each plug,
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make sure you OHM out each wire and that none of your plugs got cracked/broken when going back together. If your ignition checks out all good I would do a compression test on all 8 cylinders.
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My guess is still in the garage, burning the midnight oil and trying desperately to make it to breakfast tomorrow. Wishin him luck.
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Well by now you are all enjoying a nice breakfast and looking at a BUNCH of really cool broncos.... maybe next time for me.
I will do the KOER test today. Then switch back to the 19# injectors to see if that helps.
I will do the KOER test today. Then switch back to the 19# injectors to see if that helps.
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rtreads wrote:Well by now you are all enjoying a nice breakfast and looking at a BUNCH of really cool broncos.... maybe next time for me.
I will do the KOER test today. Then switch back to the 19# injectors to see if that helps.
I feel your pain Ryan, I am stuck at work and know everyone else is having a blast stuffin' their faces and looking at Bronco's.
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Ryan,
Give me a ring if you need me to come over and take a look at it.
Give me a ring if you need me to come over and take a look at it.
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Viperwolf1
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I went over and took a look at Ryan's engine. We found the source of the problem. Something I never saw before. Kind of like a combination exhaust and vacuum leak. Hopefully he'll post some pics.
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Glad to hear you guys figured it out.
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74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.
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Viperwolf1 wrote:I went over and took a look at Ryan's engine. We found the source of the problem. Something I never saw before. Kind of like a combination exhaust and vacuum leak. Hopefully he'll post some pics.
Wrong or blown gasket between upper and lower intake? Between the EGR port and intake port? Glad it is figured out!
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Viperwolf1
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EGR hole at the bottom of the upper was cast all the way through to the intake plenum, not just into the EGR passage to the throttle body flange. Kind of like a 20mm vacuum leak and exhaust leak.
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i told phil that was the problem and he steals all my thunder , hahahaha
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Nice job getting it diagnosed and fixed. It is nice to have that many EFI Experts in the club. Congrats and a nice way to end the weekend!
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Was it fixable, or will he need a new intake?
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phil said he just needs to tap and plug the hole in the intake and all should be good.
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Anyone else ever run into this problem. Was the egr deleted, or stuck open? Let's see pics.
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Those aluminum termites get in to the darnedest places.
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The Terrible One
1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
1972 Sport, 302, 3 speed with old school Duff floor shifter, T shift Dana 20 with JB Fab twin stick, 4.11 gears with Trac-loc, Lincoln hydroboost, Chevy disc conversion, WH gas lift gate shock kit, 33" Duratrac tires on slots and about 2.5" of lift, Stroppe installed: bumper braces, dual shocks on all four corners, GM power steering, trans cooler mount, auto shift column, rollbar.
The Terrible One
1972 Sport uncut, 302, C4 with 1974 column , T shift Dana 20, 3.50 gears w/ limited slip, 1966 U13 Roadster kick panel, and factory power steering.
1973 Stroppe Baja project
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coberlyshane wrote:Anyone else ever run into this problem. Was the egr deleted, or stuck open? Let's see pics.
I've never even heard of anything like this. The upper intake was just plain made with a big gaping hole in the bottom of the plenum, straight up through the EGR passage. It looks like it can be sealed up with a pipe plug but EGR wouldn't be useable on it.
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So I am finally getting pics postes of the problem.
When I bought this intake, my brother and I looked it over saying; wow, its made much better than we had expected. We both expected needing gasket matching and various other things to clean it up. Well, it was clean enough. Though it did have a hole above the exhaust port for the EGR gasses. We were like, that doesn't look right, but its a cast hole and must be there intentionally. NOT the case. I just happened to be talking about weird issues while Phil was doing a compression test to make sure it wasn't a stuch exhaust valve (THANK YOU PHIL!!!). I had mentioned the hole, and he just stoped and looked at me with a really weird look on his face. We pulled the intake piping, and opened the TB and I showed him. He started laughing and couldn't believe what he was seeing. So turns out there was NOT suppesed to be a hole thru the 2nd wall of the intake into the main runner. I had to buy a 1/2" Pipe tap to get a plug big enough to plug it. Its all done now and RUNS.
Thanks for all of your help!
And THANK YOU PHIL!!!
When I bought this intake, my brother and I looked it over saying; wow, its made much better than we had expected. We both expected needing gasket matching and various other things to clean it up. Well, it was clean enough. Though it did have a hole above the exhaust port for the EGR gasses. We were like, that doesn't look right, but its a cast hole and must be there intentionally. NOT the case. I just happened to be talking about weird issues while Phil was doing a compression test to make sure it wasn't a stuch exhaust valve (THANK YOU PHIL!!!). I had mentioned the hole, and he just stoped and looked at me with a really weird look on his face. We pulled the intake piping, and opened the TB and I showed him. He started laughing and couldn't believe what he was seeing. So turns out there was NOT suppesed to be a hole thru the 2nd wall of the intake into the main runner. I had to buy a 1/2" Pipe tap to get a plug big enough to plug it. Its all done now and RUNS.
Thanks for all of your help!
And THANK YOU PHIL!!!
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New video, new video, new video...
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Jesus_man wrote:New video, new video, new video...
Yeah let's hear pprrrrrr!
that is so weird they would make it like that.
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...your telling me? Hey its CHINA!!
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That plug fits nicely. I've searched the web for similar problems with that intake but couldn't find anything. Maybe it's one of a kind.
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Viperwolf1 wrote:That plug fits nicely. I've searched the web for similar problems with that intake but couldn't find anything. Maybe it's one of a kind.
Nice work finding the problem. Most of us wouldn't have noticed an extra hole in there.
Maybe the chinaman making that part dropped his eggroll in the mold that day.
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Jesus_man wrote:Viperwolf1 wrote:Maybe the chinaman making that part dropped his eggroll in the mold that day.
That's as good an explanation as I could come up with.