What's it gonna be?

[JGZ]

What's it gonna be?

[Kinder]

Split it down the middle and it'll look cool.

[Entourage]

Jay -

You are like OCD or something - we were just talking about these yesterday! You are a mad-man and they will be so cool!

P.S. Nice Shop

[sbolt19]

Looks like templates for rear quarter panels

[Entourage]

So, how did they turn out Jay? Excited to see the finished product.

[JGZ]

Interior rear panels. Still need a little a little trimmin, but you get the .Let me know what you think. thanks Jay

[Entourage]

I love them - they are light, waterproof, and customizable. I want to add speakers, 12 Volt Outlet, 110 Outlet, Amp Rack, etc. This makes a nice blank canvas to work with - very cool!

[hockeydad4-22]

I like it too, but more because ours is LOUD, and having another layer of metal, and a place to insulate will seriously help that problem, not to mention the improvement in heating the ice box...

[sbolt19]

Are they steel or are you doing them out of fiberglass or composite materials?

[JGZ]

These parts are fiberglass composite,gray gelcoat.They weigh about 7lbs.about 1/8th inch thick.Imay be able to laminate foam on the back side for sound and a more ridged part.Easy to scuff and paint or cover in your favorite animal hide.Can also make these out of aluminum, carbon fiber or whatever. Will try to post pictures soon of fitted part.Thanks JGZ

[hockeydad4-22]

Wow, great . I had not considered useing fiberglass. I may have another , some thoughts from you all.

I am in the commercial glazing industry (need glass for your EB, I am the guy to see) and often we use insulated pannels instead of glass (think in terms of those glass and metal buildings, the metal pannels are what i ma talking about here). Those pannels are a "sandwich pannel" Consisting of 2 thin sheets of metal laminated to a masonite hardboard (the bread of the sandwich) which is then laminated to a foam or other insulating core depending on the thickness of the pannel. Pannels come in 1/4" to 1" thickness typicially t hough other thicknesses are available.

I think I will try useing one of those in the same application. I will let you all know how it goes.

Thanks for the .

[Entourage]

Jay -

That is funny you would say cover in your favorite 'animal hide' because Kinder is going with Zebra print.

[ClayJ]

Wow, great . I had not considered useing fiberglass. I may have another , some thoughts from you all.

I am in the commercial glazing industry (need glass for your EB, I am the guy to see) and often we use insulated pannels instead of glass (think in terms of those glass and metal buildings, the metal pannels are what i ma talking about here). Those pannels are a "sandwich pannel" Consisting of 2 thin sheets of metal laminated to a masonite hardboard (the bread of the sandwich) which is then laminated to a foam or other insulating core depending on the thickness of the pannel. Pannels come in 1/4" to 1" thickness typicially t hough other thicknesses are available.

I think I will try useing one of those in the same application. I will let you all know how it goes.

Thanks for the .

I assume you'll have to build like 4 or 5 pairs to get it "juuuuust right" for your son, so those extra sets will just be sitting, unused, right??

[hockeydad4-22]

Actually I was thinking in terms of varrying thicknesses for the changing seasons: Summer, just go with 1/4" for the finished look, winter time use full 1" thick foam core insulated pannels so he will be warmer...

Honestly, I dont see this as a major project. More along the lines of the wiper upgrade than the heater upgrade. And in terms of "just right", remember, I am a glazier by trade and our motto is "if it dont fit, caulking will fix it".

All I know is that the next time we order any pannels around here, there will be a few extra clear annodized ones in the shipment.

Wow, great . I had not considered useing fiberglass. I may have another , some thoughts from you all.

I am in the commercial glazing industry (need glass for your EB, I am the guy to see) and often we use insulated pannels instead of glass (think in terms of those glass and metal buildings, the metal pannels are what i ma talking about here). Those pannels are a "sandwich pannel" Consisting of 2 thin sheets of metal laminated to a masonite hardboard (the bread of the sandwich) which is then laminated to a foam or other insulating core depending on the thickness of the pannel. Pannels come in 1/4" to 1" thickness typicially t hough other thicknesses are available.

I think I will try useing one of those in the same application. I will let you all know how it goes.

Thanks for the .

I assume you'll have to build like 4 or 5 pairs to get it "juuuuust right" for your son, so those extra sets will just be sitting, unused, right??

[JGZ]

The stressed skin panel your talking about is alucabond.Killer stuff but very pricey.I have a sheet here if anyone wants to check it out.JGZ

[JGZ]

Well here's a few pics.Super fit.I also took a pic of my roof to give you an of how to stableize and insulate your top.this will eliminatethe negitive presure roof is caving in death crash sound you get at speed.Do this before you start body work and you wont be chaseing it around the shop for a week or longer trying to work on it.Iso foam is our friend.JGZ

[Entourage]

They turned out great - nice work.

[hockeydad4-22]

The stressed skin panel your talking about is alucabond.Killer stuff but very pricey.I have a sheet here if anyone wants to check it out.JGZ

Alukabond, Mapes, Manko and several others produce the stuff. For me, not all that expensive. I can get it wholesale. In fact I have 1 - 4 X 10 sheet of 1/4" smooth green, 4 - 4 X 8 sheets of Bronze embossed (rough, sorta like heavy orange peel texture) and several large cut offs of 1" foam core insulated bronze embossed out in the shop now.

All of it is overage from jobs, and cost me nothing at this point. Just sitting in the shop waiting to get damaged.

I think I have a project for the weekend.

That and the spray foam in the head above the head linner. Going for it!

[JGZ]

Please dont go buy a bunch of great stuff.It's the wrong density of foam and will not work so well.The foam in my top is a two part urathane pourable type I had in my invintory.I think Iknow where to get it but I'll call some of my old suppliers and see whats up.JGZ

[ClayJ]

Some of those foams give off some nasty fumes for a while. With the way these Broncos are holding up, you also have to consider what that foam will be like 15 or 20 years from now. How hard will your grandchild have to scrub to get it off the roof. He's been search CraigsMindMeld for weeks now and hasn't picked up a stray hard top thought in weeks.

[hockeydad4-22]

Pease dont go buy a bunch of great stuff.It's the wrong density of foam and will not work so well.The foam in my top is a two part urathane pourable type I had in my invintory.I think Iknow where to get it but I'll call some of my old suppliers and see whats up.JGZ

Good to know. Put that on hold for now. I would appreciate the info on the two part when you get it.

Thanks,

Greg

[Rox Crusher]

I thought foaming a top was a big no-no as it traps moisture which promotes rust ?

[JGZ]

Thats a good question.But I've got an answer.This is the same type of foam they use for flotation in the boating industry .Where don't you want moisture?In your boat.Trust me I know.I sank my first drag boat and it didn't have no foam .Know that I think about it ,if you own a hot tub look at the back side of it .What you see is urathane foam.In this case the foam has been sprayed on to the fiberglass backed acrylic tub which was vacume molded.I do belive it also has anti-microbial properties.This meaning it resists mold and mildew.
The auto industry also uses various types of foams for sound deadening and water proofing,look at the back of a new car door panel and you'll probably find some injection molded urathane foam.
Now get this,I did that top about 8 yrs. ago.It's been out in all the blizzards and wicked heat and hasn't moved a bit and hasn't fallen off.
If you want more info get ahold of me.If there's enough intrest in this process I could offer it as a service through Jaz Ground Zero Inc. JGZ

[Kinder]

Your panels turned out great, very clean look.