Junkyard 609

[Kinder]

I've had the majority of the parts set aside for a while now, time to get this part of BSD's upgrade started.

Parts I have.
- 9" housing cut for driver side drop
- 9" diff. 4 pinion w/ power trax locker, 31 spline
- D60 Kingpin C's out
- D60 axles, that'll be cut down & re-splined
- WH track bar mounting plate

Parts I need.
- Inner seals for 9" housing
- Means to mount radius arms to housing, plan is to build plates & bolt my long arms to them

I've broken down one of the D60 C / Knuckle setups. Those suckers weight a ton, I'll guess over 80 lbs. These were off a dually truck so they weighed even more. Trei hooked me up with single wheel hubs so I'll drop a couple lbs there.



After I break down the other D60 end I'll get to cutting the old tubes out of the C's.

[Justin]

Cool! Are you going low pinion and running on the coast side of the gear?

[Gunnibronco]

Jim Cole/Bloody Knuckle Garage offers his arms as a "weld on" option. He replaces the C-bushing caps with a different piece that welds to an axle tube. Something similar to the way Battlement's weld on. You might contact him, I bet he'll sell the pieces to convert your arms. He was very helpful when I was buying my arms.

jim@bloodyknucklegarage.com

[Digger]

Oh, I like where this is going!

[Jesus_man]

Oh boy, so jealous! The worst part is if you snap an inner shaft. But I would totally love to do this!

[ZOSO]

I believe duffs has the brackets to weld on also. If not I have a set of wedges floating around in the garage I can part with.

[Jesus_man]

I think you'd be better off going away from the wedges. Ballistic Fab, Poly Performance, etc may be able to help you out.

How do your current arms attach?

[ZOSO]

I agree with JD. Just throwing it out there as an option.

[RJLougee]

I'm not trying to holes here, but it seems like a lot of work just to change from a 30 spline to 31 spline axleshaft and still driving on the coast side of the gears. Even adding a 35 spline ARB to the 9" would remove that weak link, but leave the other.

On a totally different line, I like the idea of running D50R gears in a D44R housing, with a 35 spline ARB and adding the D60 outers. Pretty bulletproof, great ground clearance and much less weight than a D60. Probably cheaper to build in the long run as well (vs. a D60R, not the JY 609).

As for the arm ends, Jim Cole does sell them separately, IIRC they're $100ish for the pair. It's not that hard to make something like them, you could probably build out of some 1" x 6" rectube, plated around the ends and drilled for the bushings and notched for the axle tube. Duffs are pretty much the same as the Cage/Bloody Knuckle setup since all those were Jim's ideas.

BTW, which JY do you go to where you can get D60 parts?
Joe

[Gunnibronco]

On a totally different line, I like the idea of running D50R gears in a D44R housing, with a 35 spline ARB and adding the D60 outers.
Joe

Sorry to hi-jack, but is this what you are talking about? or is there an easier way?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/axles-ti ... -hp44.html

I haven't read on using the D60 outers. Do they use the same U joint as the HP D44? Is there a stock outer D60 axle shaft that fits the Ford HP D44? or do you have to change knuckles/brakes/etc?

[RJLougee]

Sorry to hi-jack, but is this what you are talking about? or is there an easier way?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/axles-ti ... -hp44.html

I haven't read on using the D60 outers. Do they use the same U joint as the HP D44? Is there a stock outer D60 axle shaft that fits the Ford HP D44? or do you have to change knuckles/brakes/etc?

Yes, the Jana 54 is what I'm talking about, as well as adding the D60 outers/shafts and using the 35 spline D44 ARB. Not the same joint at all, stock EB size is 260x, BB/aftermarket axles use the 760x size and the D60 uses the 732x.
Joe

[Gunnibronco]

Not the same joint at all, stock EB size is 260x, BB/aftermarket axles use the 760x size and the D60 uses the 732x.
Joe

So custom inner axle shafts w/732x u-joint?

I assume no conversion u-joint from stock D44 HP (760x) inner axles to D60 (732x) outer axles.

[RJLougee]

So custom inner axle shafts w/732x u-joint? I assume no conversion u-joint from stock D44 HP (760x) inner axles to D60 (732x) outer axles.

You're going to use the D60 inner/outer shafts, same as Kinder with his, his will just be resplined to the 31 splines of the 9" carrier. Same big 732x U-joints. You can almost use a D60 sized axleshaft in the D44R, but if it blows it'll pop the ball joints out and it won't fit through the hole in the D44 knuckle. That;s why it's easier to go D60 stuff from the inner Cs out.
Joe

[Gunnibronco]

Thanks. Thats cool. Something new to think about.

[Kinder]

Gunni - I'll likely just make my own, I've seen Jim's brackets and they are nice, but I noticed they won't be making any for a while since they have a large commercial order. I'll contact him when I get closer and see if I can just get the pieces and build them myself.

ZOSO / JD - I have Duffs long arms now, and they have the same 2 bolts that the old Cage Arms had, so brackets are the way to go. Right now they have the C wedge adapters on them for the stock D44.

Joe - The 609 build is a compromise, like most things. I would have loved to keep the KP D60 intact but I couldn't. With my diesel conversion the motor is sitting low, I've shoved it back as far as I could without modding the firewall (which I wasn't against doing), but there is no way to put a high pinion diff in there. I already smack the low pinion D44. The 9" center combined with a low pinion diff will actually gains me some room and I dump a ton of weight. The D60 C's and out will gain me the increased wheel bearing capacity that I need with my new found vehicle weight and the D60 U joints will be a welcome addition. Finally I just happened onto the KP D60, it is the later model and was on a dually, which I'll guess is why it was still there for me to pick.

[Kinder]

Tried to push the tubes out of the C's last night, failed. Looks like I need to cut into the tubes a bit more, where did I put the torch?

[D&D72]

At the bottom of that pile of parts in the right side of the garage.......

[RJLougee]

Joe - The 609 build is a compromise, like most things. I would have loved to keep the KP D60 intact but I couldn't. With my diesel conversion the motor is sitting low, I've shoved it back as far as I could without modding the firewall (which I wasn't against doing), but there is no way to put a high pinion diff in there. I already smack the low pinion D44. The 9" center combined with a low pinion diff will actually gains me some room and I dump a ton of weight. The D60 C's and out will gain me the increased wheel bearing capacity that I need with my new found vehicle weight and the D60 U joints will be a welcome addition. Finally I just happened onto the KP D60, it is the later model and was on a dually, which I'll guess is why it was still there for me to pick.

Understood. If you're not too far along in hacking that up I have a set of KP D60 inner Cs I could horse-trade for your housing, maybe sweeten the pot if you want. And/or trading a set of SW hubs for the DW hubs if you still have them.

Give me a call if you're interested. 719-660-8093.
Joe

[Kinder]

Crap, I should have posted up b4 I cut it up, didn't think anyone would have D60 stuff laying around. I now know better. I'd might be interested in a DW/SW hub swap, I'll give you a ring tomorrow.

[RJLougee]

I didn't think anyone would have D60 stuff laying around.

Always, I have way more junk than I can use, and sometimes I can even find it. I actually have two sets of inner/outer Cs and knuckles for both BJ and KP D60 hybrid axles. That's one shelf of the many in the shop. I need to sell some crap and buy land...
Joe

[Kinder]

I do believe I need to come visit. I'll bring the DW hubs, my inventory sheet & some cash.

[Jesus_man]

& some cash.

And Bier. Joe likes bier.

[Kinder]

Thanks 4 the tip, I'll bring a selection.

[akaFrankCastle]

And 33x2's drivetrain.

[Kinder]

And and and...

[RJLougee]

I do believe I need to come visit. I'll bring the DW hubs, my inventory sheet & some cash.

Yes, yes you do. Although I don't have much in the way of "stock" parts. If you plan for a Sat, you can always hit Don Allisons as well.

And Bier. Joe likes bier.

Jawohl, ich trinke gerne Bier, and I also like beer, like they sell in this country,
Joe