Lar's Bar's Build

[Digger]

OK, so we've got 2 potential group buys:

1.25" joints:
1. Eck
2. Hockeydad (maybe 2)
3. ZOSO
4. Justin
5. Kinder (likely 2)
6. JGZ (maybe 2)

Brackets 'n' bungs:
1. Justin (brackets only)
2. Eck
3. Hockeydad (maybe 2)
4. ZOSO
5. Kinder?
6. JGZ?

Who have I missed? I'll have time Friday to call around and see who will give us the best deal. I really like Ballistic's brackets, but Artec and Ruffstuff are possibilities as well. Feel free to chime in if you've got a preference.

I think we have gotten a little mottled on the group buy of the joints. The original plan was for the 9/16" x 2.625" joint with a 1"-14 stud. There are some here that want the 1.25"-12 stud. Right now SPC only offers one unit in that size and the joint is 3/4" bolt x 3.25" wide.

To clear things up everyone should look at the chart at the bottom: http://www.spcalignment.com/component/content/article?id=291 and reply back with the part number of the unit they are interested in along with quantity. Sorry to have to start over, but I want to make sure people are getting what they need.

[kbank6]

Let me ask this to you then since we or I have the confusion going on. Would it not be better to use the 1.25 over the smaller size do to force? How much force do you think is on that?

[Rox Crusher]

I'm out for now.

Too much other stuff going.

[Digger]

Let me ask this to you then since we or I have the confusion going on. Would it not be better to use the 1.25 over the smaller size do to force? How much force do you think is on that?

Really, the joint with the 1"-14 stem is more than adequate. Minimum radial load ratings are ~12,000 lbs / joint. I've haven't seen one come apart until about 24,000 lbs.

I think some guys want the 1.25" size because of their existing radius arms.

[Eck]

So the larger size is for the duff arms correct? If so, the normal joints for the stock arms are fine for me.

[Justin]

Yes, most aftermarket arms run 1.25" joints.

[hockeydad4-22]

I'm good with which ever the bunch of you decide is better/best. I have had no time to research one way or the other. I'm not planning any U-Tube worthy type maneuvers or anything.

And for right now - just one set (holiday bills are about to me in the head.... again)

[Justin]

I think we have gotten a little mottled on the group buy of the joints. The original plan was for the 9/16" x 2.625" joint with a 1"-14 stud. There are some here that want the 1.25"-12 stud. Right now SPC only offers one unit in that size and the joint is 3/4" bolt x 3.25" wide.

To clear things up everyone should look at the chart at the bottom: http://www.spcalignment.com/component/content/article?id=291 and reply back with the part number of the unit they are interested in along with quantity. Sorry to have to start over, but I want to make sure people are getting what they need.

Shoot, I'm probably out on the joint buy. I need a 1.25" shank and most of the brackets are 2.625" in width, so you guys don't have something that will work for my application. Guys, we can definitely get 1" bungs if you want to purchase these for use with the Lar's Bars.

[Digger]

I think we have gotten a little mottled on the group buy of the joints. The original plan was for the 9/16" x 2.625" joint with a 1"-14 stud. There are some here that want the 1.25"-12 stud. Right now SPC only offers one unit in that size and the joint is 3/4" bolt x 3.25" wide.

To clear things up everyone should look at the chart at the bottom: http://www.spcalignment.com/component/content/article?id=291 and reply back with the part number of the unit they are interested in along with quantity. Sorry to have to start over, but I want to make sure people are getting what they need.

Shoot, I'm probably out on the joint buy. I need a 1.25" shank and most of the brackets are 2.625" in width, so you guys don't have something that will work for my application. Guys, we can definitely get 1" bungs if you want to purchase these for use with the Lar's Bars.

It is not released yet, but we will eventually offer a 1.25" shank with the 2.625" joint. (and offer a 2.625" joint with a 5/8" bolt instead of 9/16") It is not necessary from an engineering standpoint, but sometimes you have to bow to the aftermarket and competition.

I have no stake in this, so you guys do what you need to do and let me know which route to go. Like I said before, I'm a fan of the MetalCloak Duro Joints as well if they have a size that fits people's needs. Personally I used the 1" shank receiver and pushed Clevite bushings into it for the radius arms and used a mix of Clevite and xAxis in the rear for the links.

[Gunnibronco]

I haven't gotten to run the Metal Cloak joints yet, but they sure look purdy. Their service was good, although, when I ordered the joints, they said it would be 2-3 weeks before they shipped. In reality, they shipped 2-3 days after the order was placed. Now, I'm getting their emails with free shipping & other offers, so if anyone wants to go with the MC joints, let me know & I'll pass along the special offers.

[ZOSO]

I'm good with which ever the bunch of you decide is better/best. I have had no time to research one way or the other. I'm not planning any U-Tube worthy type maneuvers or anything.

And for right now - just one set (holiday bills are about to me in the head.... again)

Im the same. 1x2.625 is plenty for me if Digger says it's hold in that type of application.

[Justin]

Since SPC doesn't have a joint (yet) that will fit my application, I did some more reading and have decided to go with the MetalCloak joints, in part because they make one with a 7 degree offset that would allow me to run my brackets aligned with the frame without bind. Anyone else interested before I call and place an order?

The catalog can be seen here: http://www.metalcloak.com/Jeep-Suspensi ... -s/235.htm

I'm planning to order these: http://www.metalcloak.com/2-5-8-OD-x-2- ... p/7301.htm

[Kinder]

All this 9/16" talk has me wondering if I need to "step down" the size of the joint used on the end of the Duff arms, seems like it will open up the selection I can use.

[Justin]

It will open up a wider selection of non-heim options. Heims in your size are almost universally 1" shank (3/4" with misalignments). Nearly all of the Johnny/Ballistic/Metalcloak/etc flex joints are 9/16". It really comes down to which style you want to run.

[biohzrd]

Hello,
l'm new on here , but if l'm not too late, l'm interested in getting in on the lars bars build.

john

[Justin]

You're not too late! Welcome! You'll need a set of stock radius arms. The rest we'll probably have group buys, or at least a collective order for.

[Colorado75bronc]

If anyone is interested I have a set of 78' bronco radius arms and matching lower coil cups $40 for all of it
PM if you're interested

[biohzrd]

l'm going to see lf l can come up with a set of radius arms , so l don't have to down my rig any longer than needed.
lf all else fail's , l can get the pieces , see how they go together ,and build them later.
So , let me know what l need to do , as far as the parts purchase goes.
thanks.
l'll need the bungs. brackets, and joints.

[Justin]

Hit Corey (CO75Bronc) up for his, that's a good deal. If nothing else, come hang out, meet folks and burn metal. I'm happy to help you build a set later.

[biohzrd]

just got off the phone with him....going down to get them this weekend.

[Justin]

Perfect! I'm working on setting a date for this, likely some time in February.

[akaFrankCastle]

I have a set of radius arms that need to make their way north for the build day. They are going to Eck. If you wouldn't mind bringing them back north with you, I'd appreciate it.

[Jesus_man]

I'm excited to see what all you guys get done! Wish I could join you!

[hockeydad4-22]

Since SPC doesn't have a joint (yet) that will fit my application, I did some more reading and have decided to go with the MetalCloak joints, in part because they make one with a 7 degree offset that would allow me to run my brackets aligned with the frame without bind. Anyone else interested before I call and place an order?

The catalog can be seen here: http://www.metalcloak.com/Jeep-Suspensi ... -s/235.htm

I'm planning to order these: http://www.metalcloak.com/2-5-8-OD-x-2- ... p/7301.htm

I like those as well. And if it helps to make Wilma a bit more comfy all the better! If it is cool with you, let me know when you order, I will jump in with you - who knows maybe even save a buck or two on shipping.

[Justin]

I'm planning to hit them up for a club discount, so hopefully we can do better than sharing shipping. I'm going to give it another day or two before calling to see if anyone else wants in. Gunni, could you please pass on whatever those special offers were?

[Eck]

Perfect! I'm working on setting a date for this, likely some time in February.

For what it's worth, I am out of town the weekend of February 21st.

Also- I am getting a little confused with everything that is going on in this build day. It seemed to start with most people looking to do the xAxis and then brackets and bunges. I have done a little bit of research but am by no means knowledgable nor expereinced with anything suspension related yet. This is why I was excited to get involved with the group buy as well as tech day because I could lean on the club for that knowledge and experience. With that said-- it seems that everyone is going in various directions now and this is no longer a group buy scenario and I am trying to figure out what in the heck I am supposed to buy, need, and do to be prepared to build these things.

I am still very interested in building a set of these but am getting sort of confused on what is needed.... I am obviously starting with stock radius arms so if anyone can get me pushed (or shoved) in the right direction of what decisions on purchases I need to make, I would appreciate it.

[Justin]

Once I get the date nailed down I'll post up in Staging area and will run the group buy out of that thread. Mostly I'm trying to get a general sense of things so that I can call around to get pricing. You will need:

Factory radius arms: you provide. EB or F-150 arms are the same
2"x.25" wall DOM tube-~2.5 feet: We'll buy sticks, get a small discount, and split the cost.
Frame brackets: Will set up a group buy
Bungs: Will likely have a group buy, just need to know who will be ordering which joints.
Joints: I'll set up a group buy through MetalCloak for those who need 1.25" shank joints. I'm also happy to work with Digger to put together a SPC order for anyone who wants to go that route.
Grade 8 Bolts for the joints: You provide, they're available at any hardware store.

[Gunnibronco]

Since SPC doesn't have a joint (yet) that will fit my application, I did some more reading and have decided to go with the MetalCloak joints, in part because they make one with a 7 degree offset that would allow me to run my brackets aligned with the frame without bind. Anyone else interested before I call and place an order?

The catalog can be seen here: http://www.metalcloak.com/Jeep-Suspensi ... -s/235.htm

I'm planning to order these: http://www.metalcloak.com/2-5-8-OD-x-2- ... p/7301.htm

I considered those when I bought them. I took some rough measurments and my arms were only about 2*-3* off, so I ordered straight shanks. I figured if they were 3.5* or more I'd go with the 7* offset. The bend in the arm (I think yours are bent) accounts for most the offset. I did mount the brackets pointed ever so slightly outboard, but not much. The misalignment of the bushing is more than enough. Mine are temp'ed in with little or no noticeable tension.

[Justin]

Good to know, thanks. I'll take a final look at them before ordering.

[Eck]

What determines whether you need 1" or 1.25"?