Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Get answers to Bronco-related technical issues.
Post Reply
User avatar
Gunnibronco
Official CCB Member
Official CCB Member
Posts: 4077
Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:07 pm

Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Post by Gunnibronco »

This is going to sound stupid.

I've been running a 99 Mustang GT hydroboost & master cylinder on disk/drums for YEARS. On both my stock width & full width axles.

I know this isn't exactly right. I think I've read I might be lacking rear brakes because there isn't a check valve or something that would keep the rear cylinders "pumped up" between uses. I think I even read it can cause the cylinder to retract & the rear brakes can fail completely.

Since I pulled my frame mounted rear brake line, and have drained the system of fluid, I'd like to fix this now. I hate bleeding brakes, and my hatred prevents me from modifying any part of the brake system, unless absolutely necessary. So now is the time.

Can someone tell me what I need to add to the system to get it right?
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." ΓÇô Claire Wolfe
74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, HP609s, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, 4x4x2 hyrdo assist, custom dash & gauges
72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
User avatar
phyler
CCB Admin
Posts: 1231
Joined: Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:41 pm

Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Post by phyler »

You are talking about the residual pressure valve. Most new masters don't have them even for drum/drum setups.

I am right there with you on the hatred of bleeding brakes. I have everything to do the rear swap to Explorer discs but haven't for that very reason.
1975 Ranger Edition that I've had longer than I've been without it.

OG
User avatar
phyler
CCB Admin
Posts: 1231
Joined: Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:41 pm

Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Post by phyler »

Just realized you might be needing a proportion valve to adjust the bias as well. Not sure if you are locking up the rears before the fronts.
1975 Ranger Edition that I've had longer than I've been without it.

OG
User avatar
Gunnibronco
Official CCB Member
Official CCB Member
Posts: 4077
Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:07 pm

Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Post by Gunnibronco »

phyler wrote:Just realized you might be needing a proportion valve to adjust the bias as well. Not sure if you are locking up the rears before the fronts.


Sounds like I might be ok. Thanks.

I have a proportion valve installed that I don't need (don't ask- part of the reason I hate bleeding brakes). I locked up the rears with the regular F150 calipers, but switching to T-bird calipers fixed that with no need for a proportioning valve.
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." ΓÇô Claire Wolfe
74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, HP609s, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, 4x4x2 hyrdo assist, custom dash & gauges
72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
User avatar
ZOSO
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 3910
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:58 pm

Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Post by ZOSO »

drums require a 10psi residual valve to keep the cylinders from collapsing. disc's use 2psi or less. You can pick them up pretty cheap. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wil-2 ... /overview/

Be forewarned that with this you will need the adjustable proportioning valve.
Rob

74 Ranger EFI351w, 4r70w, ARB 5.13 9in, ARB 5.13D44, and a bunch of other goodies. Best of all the family memories.

04 Mustang Cobra, KenneBell 2.2 feeding a lot of boost on E85. Tire shredding machine

New project: 77 Bronco Ranger, body work and more body work.

Very little left of a 72 durango tan explorer sport
User avatar
Gunnibronco
Official CCB Member
Official CCB Member
Posts: 4077
Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:07 pm

Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Post by Gunnibronco »

Thanks Rob,

I'll leave the prop valve in.
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." ΓÇô Claire Wolfe
74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, HP609s, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, 4x4x2 hyrdo assist, custom dash & gauges
72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
User avatar
cpldavis37
Official CCB Member
Official CCB Member
Posts: 357
Joined: Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:45 pm

Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Post by cpldavis37 »

This makes bleeding brakes easy.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
TJ
"Everyone suspects himself of at least one of the cardinal virtues, and this is mine: I am one of the few honest people I have ever known."
F. Scott Fitzgerald
1974 Ford Bronco 3 1/2 inch James Duff lift ,2 inch body lift, 351w Explorer EFI, Viper built c4, Viper built Dana 20 with wildhorses twin stick, Kinder built Dana 44 with 4.56 gears disc brakes aussie locker and knuckle over conversion, Kinder built 9 inch with grizzly locker 31 spline axles and 4.56 gear
User avatar
cpldavis37
Official CCB Member
Official CCB Member
Posts: 357
Joined: Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:45 pm

Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Post by cpldavis37 »

I think I got one for $25.
TJ
"Everyone suspects himself of at least one of the cardinal virtues, and this is mine: I am one of the few honest people I have ever known."
F. Scott Fitzgerald
1974 Ford Bronco 3 1/2 inch James Duff lift ,2 inch body lift, 351w Explorer EFI, Viper built c4, Viper built Dana 20 with wildhorses twin stick, Kinder built Dana 44 with 4.56 gears disc brakes aussie locker and knuckle over conversion, Kinder built 9 inch with grizzly locker 31 spline axles and 4.56 gear
User avatar
Gunnibronco
Official CCB Member
Official CCB Member
Posts: 4077
Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:07 pm

Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Post by Gunnibronco »

I used one of those when I bled the 69 I flipped. It did go pretty well, still finished the job the 'old fashioned way' (with a helper).
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." ΓÇô Claire Wolfe
74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, HP609s, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, 4x4x2 hyrdo assist, custom dash & gauges
72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
User avatar
Gunnibronco
Official CCB Member
Official CCB Member
Posts: 4077
Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:07 pm

Re: Disk/drum brakes with disk/disk master

Post by Gunnibronco »

ZOSO wrote:drums require a 10psi residual valve to keep the cylinders from collapsing. disc's use 2psi or less. You can pick them up pretty cheap. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wil-2 ... /overview/

Be forewarned that with this you will need the adjustable proportioning valve.


Is it important where this is installed in the rear system? Between the master & prop valve or after prop valve?
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." ΓÇô Claire Wolfe
74-AWB 98", ZF5, Atlas4, HP609s, ARBs, 37's, 3.5" lift-5.5" front coil springs, Tahoe rear springs, EFI 302, h-boost, 4x4x2 hyrdo assist, custom dash & gauges
72 U15- Explorer Sport-Candyapple Red (1 of 141)
Post Reply