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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Justin » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:09 pm

Depending on the complexity I can probably knock it out on Saturday.
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Gunnibronco » Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:24 pm

Oh yeah I forgot. I reread a post in my 66 parts wanted thread about t-case shifter. I'll gladly take the steering linkage. Thanks.
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Eck » Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:38 pm

Not sure if you looked back at my pics on the ZF crossmember and I am not sure what all I posted but here are some pics that may help with coming up with a solution. As you can see, the tube is rear to the stock hole location and we welded it to a plate that was installed still using the stock holes. You can see the plate that attaches to the ZF is also forward of the tube. With already having a support crossmember on the ATLAS, I would think that you could do something very similar to what we did on mine and it would be plenty strong enough...
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Gunnibronco » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:40 pm

Justin,

Can you put a 130* bend in a piece with 17" on one side & 15" on the other? That would give me a little on each side to cut off & fit.

I thought about an "S" shaped mount, but I don't see why a simple "V" shape wouldn't work. If I don't like it I can improve on the design later.
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build thread from the freezer

Postby landshark » Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:10 am

Here's mine thanks to Justin as well.

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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Gunnibronco » Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:59 am

Thanks for all the pics. The 'doubler' part of the Atlas4 sets the front output back far enough that a straight crossmember is just not going to work. I'm not 100% happy with my current plan for a crossmember, but it's the only option I can see right now. I think it will work, it will just look odd.
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Justin » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:33 pm

Gunnibronco wrote:Justin,

Can you put a 130* bend in a piece with 17" on one side & 15" on the other? That would give me a little on each side to cut off & fit.

I thought about an "S" shaped mount, but I don't see why a simple "V" shape wouldn't work. If I don't like it I can improve on the design later.

Yes. You want the parts on either side of the bend bent back to straight, right? 3 bends total?
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Jesus_man » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:27 pm

I see a napkin sketch in the works!
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Gunnibronco » Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:16 am

MS Paint actually.

LOL, it looks like I forgot to attach this to the message I sent Justin yesterday.
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Rox Crusher » Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:26 am

Gunni, what will your final low gear crawl ratio be ?
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Gunnibronco » Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:33 am

Right now with 3.50 gears my crawl ratio will be 54 in my 2.62 low gear, 86 with the 4.3 gear, and 224 with both engaged @ 11.2.

I may be able to regear & add an Aussie locker to the front soon, as well. If I go 4.56s it will bring my low/low crawl ratio to 292. That seems reasonable.
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Jesus_man » Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:55 am

4.56's on 37's seems like a good setup. I'd like to do the same someday, but I am pretty happy with my 4.10's on 35's.

224:1 is plenty reasonable! But check your math... 4.56 x 11.2 x 6.72 = 343.
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Digger » Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:39 am

Gunnibronco wrote:Right now with 3.50 gears my crawl ratio will be 54 in my 2.62 low gear, 86 with the 4.3 gear, and 224 with both engaged @ 11.2.

I may be able to regear & add an Aussie locker to the front soon, as well. If I go 4.56s it will bring my low/low crawl ratio to 292. That seems reasonable.



That is crazy low!

Remember when 100:1 was a big deal? 2x on 4.56s with 37s. I love the way mine is geared with the 351W. Even pushing 20mph headwinds in Kansas, there was no issue maintaining 75+, but holy cow the gas mileage. I was getting 8 or 9 mpg until I slowed down.
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby ZOSO » Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:07 am

Jesus_man wrote:4.56's on 37's seems like a good setup. I'd like to do the same someday, but I am pretty happy with my 4.10's on 35's.

224:1 is plenty reasonable! But check your math... 4.56 x 11.2 x 6.72 = 343.



6.72 is wrong. The zf is 5.72 and the 435 is 6.69
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Jesus_man » Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:59 am

ZOSO wrote:
Jesus_man wrote:4.56's on 37's seems like a good setup. I'd like to do the same someday, but I am pretty happy with my 4.10's on 35's.

224:1 is plenty reasonable! But check your math... 4.56 x 11.2 x 6.72 = 343.



6.72 is wrong. The zf is 5.72 and the 435 is 6.69


Yep, been out the game too long!!!

Chad - nevermind my mindless rambling. 292 is indeed accurate. If I felt more confident I'd break it down into feet/min for you! That's when it becomes real!
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Rox Crusher » Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:23 am

Jesus_man wrote:
ZOSO wrote:
Jesus_man wrote:4.56's on 37's seems like a good setup. I'd like to do the same someday, but I am pretty happy with my 4.10's on 35's.

224:1 is plenty reasonable! But check your math... 4.56 x 11.2 x 6.72 = 343.



6.72 is wrong. The zf is 5.72 and the 435 is 6.69


Yep, been out the game too long!!!

Chad - nevermind my mindless rambling. 292 is indeed accurate. If I felt more confident I'd break it down into feet/min for you! That's when it becomes real!


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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby crawlercreations » Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:29 am

Figuring 700 RPM idle with 292 final drive on 37" tires you will travel about 23 feet per minute. Just over 1/4 mile per hour. fire fire
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Gunnibronco » Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:44 am

Digger wrote:That is crazy low!

Remember when 100:1 was a big deal? 2x on 4.56s with 37s. I love the way mine is geared with the 351W. Even pushing 20mph headwinds in Kansas, there was no issue maintaining 75+, but holy cow the gas mileage. I was getting 8 or 9 mpg until I slowed down.



I remember when I thought I was hot chit with a NP435 & 4.11s.

That's good news about the gears, I wasn't sure how the 351 would like the 37's on the highway. Thought the rpms might be a little low.

I figure I'll probably end up on 37's before I swap motors. That will probably turn my ZF into a 4 speed. In 4th, at 1:1, with 4.56s it gives me a decent cruising rpm @ 2800 (close to my 4.11's & 33s). Then I can swap in a bigger motor and start using 5th gear again.

I really bought the 4 speed because I wanted a deep gear like the 4.3, but didn't want to be so deep that I couldn't keep up on average trails, or switch back to 1:1. I like that I have a stockish low, and a deep low. I didn't think the 11.2 would be that useful, but JD & others have discussed the control it offers, and I'm looking forward to experiencing that.
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Gunnibronco » Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:58 am

Roughly eleventy bajillion spot welds & sheet metal screws later. Driver's side is welded in. Next, grind, grind, grind.
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Gunnibronco » Sat Apr 23, 2016 6:15 pm

Folded the seams over in the wheel tub.

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I'll seam seal everything, and I'm thinking of adding HNR & bedliner to the insides of the wheel wells too.

Passenger side wheel well cut out.

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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Kinder » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:18 pm

Gunnibronco wrote:Roughly eleventy bajillion spot welds & sheet metal screws later. Driver's side is welded in. Next, grind, grind, grind.


Looks great!
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Gunnibronco » Wed May 04, 2016 9:23 pm

I haven't been slacking. Just taking so long.

Driver wheel well is 95% done. Two pieces left to patch in, but I'm going to wait till the cage is out. Moving on to resetting the gas tank & fitting the fuel neck.

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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Jesus_man » Thu May 05, 2016 1:10 am

Thank you for documenting this process. Someday I'm going to show someone qualified than me your pictures and ask them to duplicate!
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Gunnibronco » Thu May 05, 2016 6:22 am

Jesus_man wrote:Thank you for documenting this process. Someday I'm going to show someone qualified than me your pictures and ask them to duplicate!


No problem, I'm glad to. I thought the driver's side would go faster, after doing the passenger side. But with the recesses for the fuel filler necks, it was different enough to slow me down.

I wish I had an old (or new) rear tub to use for the stretch. It would have made it a lot easier. I wouldn't have had to work around the body line in the tub. And the 16g metal I'm using for the patch isn't easy to work with.
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Justin » Thu May 05, 2016 7:33 pm

I bought one new wheelwell for mine, cut in half, then used the pieces to extend things. More expensive, but less fab time.
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Gunnibronco » Thu May 05, 2016 7:46 pm

Smart.

I hadn't planned out the next steps after the leaf spring swap. I have a 4x8 sheet of 16g steel, and saw a way forward.

Gas tank brackets are tacked in, and I test fit the tank. Tomorrow I'll pick up the right hardware, and try to get it hung permanently. Then figure the fuel filler.
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Justin » Thu May 05, 2016 9:02 pm

I just ran the stock filler. Should work fine, although my axle isn't as far back as yours.
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Gunnibronco » Thu May 05, 2016 9:13 pm

My filler neck has already been cut up, the Silverback flares pushed the filler from the original location. I might have to move it again. I haven't positioned my flares yet.

I've also moved my tank back a couple inches.
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Gunnibronco » Thu May 26, 2016 9:38 pm

Although it may seem I've been busy hustling Broncos from the poor people of Gunnison, I really have been hard at work on my 74. It just has all seemed so slow and tedious.

Gas tank hung, new lower half of rear bumper built, added license plate to gas tank holder on spare tire carrier. Some more prep work on welds & herculiner done. Added a cheap aftermarket washer bottle, because I couldn't figure a way to put my old stock tank back on. Moved my P/S cooler down in front of the radiator.
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Re: build thread from the freezer

Postby Justin » Thu May 26, 2016 10:53 pm

Nice!
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