The Perfect Garage

[akaFrankCastle]

I'm wondering if there is someone here with one of those fancy architect type softwares who could actually paint a picture of this...

So, the discussion about garage heating, concrete floors, and what not got me to thinking. We're planning to put our house on the market next year and find something a little roomier. My only discriminator for this new place is: must have a minimum 3 car garage OR enough land to put up a separate, detached shop. I'm shooting for option #2. That being said, what are the kinds of things you would have in your "Perfect Garage"?

I'm thinking:
1) Radiant heating in the floor
2) Separate room for a large air compressor
3) Bathroom with shower

Throw all of your ideas out there and let's hear what the perfect CCB garage looks like.

[ZOSO]

For me id be happy with 3wide and deeper. I hate my current garage. Its only 20x20 2 car. Really hard to do much in there with cars in there.

Add to your list. High ceilings for tall doors and a lift.
I really want to build a "shed" for my compressor outside and plumb into my garage with drops in each corner. I can't stand listening to my compressor in the garage. Lots of storage and bench space. I'd like a desperate shop for Fab work with a sheet metal brake and shear welding gear n such. I hate the fact that everything gets covered in grinding dust.

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[Badlands]

[akaFrankCastle]

For me id be happy with 3wide and deeper. I hate my current garage. Its only 20x20 2 car. Really hard to do much in there with cars in there.

Add to your list. High ceilings for tall doors and a lift.
I really want to build a "shed" for my compressor outside and plumb into my garage with drops in each corner. I can't stand listening to my compressor in the garage. Lots of storage and bench space. I'd like a desperate shop for Fab work with a sheet metal brake and shear welding gear n such. I hate the fact that everything gets covered in grinding dust.

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High ceilings and tall doors and absolute must. I was thinking open ceiling in one half for hoists and what not. The other half enclosed with loft/second floor storage.

Adding in a 24" buffer to the outside edges of the garage doors and fabricating full length steel topped benches and a smaller butcher block topped bench.

[akaFrankCastle]

Only two issues. 1) said accessory would distract other people from actually accomplishing any work on the Bronco. 2) anyone using said accessory would be likely to be interested in drawing funds out of the Bronco budget. But I like it!

[akaFrankCastle]

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Dammit. Just what i DIDN'T need; one more forum to be on all the time.

[Justin]

I'm starting to really like the depth of my new garage. The square footage isn't much less than my old 3 bay 3 car setup, but it's a long 2 car. While I miss being able to get all 3 cars covered, having the shop space to move around in is really nice. Workbench wise I'm planning a similar layout to what you talked about, but may use recycled kitchen cabinets and counters along the back wall to hold the chop saw, drill press, etc and put a steel workbench/welding table and a rolling 3 or 4 drawer tool cart near the front of the vehicles in the center of the shop space. I've got an old table in that spot now and have found it really useful. Separate encolsed/soundproofed area for the compressor would be really nice, and obviously at least 2-3 220v outlets in addition to the usual 110v. Center post lift that reaches both axles at the same time would be an upgrade over the more common 2 post. I'm not sure a bathroom is a huge plus in an attached garage, but a utility sink would be really nice for washing up before I come in. A locker for shop clothes. Oh, and insulation. A heater is great, but I don't want to spend a ton of money heating the rest of the world. I'm hoping to insulate my door and install a heater in the next few years, as my garage is 2/3 buried. A slightly textured floor would be a good idea as well.

[Jesus_man]

Zack - boy have I got a deal for you... The lessee's agreement on our house will end sometime next fall. It's got a 3-car already AND enough room for a nice detached. Not to mention plenty of space for a growing family..., cheap taxes... :)

So there is a big difference in my dream garage compared to a realistic one, but seems this thread is focusing on the latter. To put some hard numbers to it, I don't think I'd want a garage to be any less deep than 35ft. You're looking at 25ft if you have a LWB, CC with bumpers. Then ideally 2-3ft of workbench on the wall, leaves you with 7-8ft of maneuvering room. You may also need access around the back side too, so that could cut into that space by 3ft or more. 35 is workable, 40 is better.

For width, a standard 8ft is not enough. You need 10ft wide, and 10ft tall would be great. And make sure you have plenty of room to open truck doors once inside a garage. I HATED having to let people out of the passenger side of a vehicle before entering the garage. I think you need a minimum of 5ft between the opening and an adjacent wall or the next big door. So if you have 10ft door, 5ft between, three doors, you're at 50ft wide. You could narrow the width between doors a little, but I would leave the 5ft on the outside of the doors to the wall because you'll need shelving in there. Storage is a big issue as well. You need bolt compartments to organize all that sort of stuff. And flat heavy duty shelves for everything else. What about that 20ft stick of Hrew or DOM? Tripping over it will suck!

I'd love to have a walkway out the back leading to a smaller 12x10 room to store larger tools like tranny jacks, etc. What about a built-in gun safe?

Power: there is NEVER enough power outlets. I'd want a power outlet on the wall every 10ft, on a minimum of 20A circuits. And have one between each door. Have a 220V outlet in every corner and one in an area where I'd plan to do most of the welding. Then a power strip above the bench at a minimum of every 5ft.

Needs good lighting. Several fluorescents hanging from the ceiling and the ability to turn them on row-by-row.

Painted floors rock! They look nice, clean up easy and just make a shop brighter. Has to be high quality stuff tho!

I'd like a damper down low on one end of the shop and an exhaust fan high in the ceiling on the other.

I'd love to have at least one bay with a sloped floor and drain with hot and cold water hookups nearby.

Beer fridge...yep. Rocking stereo system in it's own cabinet...done!

I might look into Infrared heating. My dad put that in his shop and loves it. It also warms objects, not the air, so the floor should still be toasty.

I would also like for someplace else for the compressor. In the attic could be an option. Commode and Utility sink at a minimum. Shower would be plus.

Yeah, been thinking about this for quite some time. I did draw up my "dream" garage in Acad years ago. But that had parking room for 6 vehicles, a dedicated place to work on the cars, half-court basketball court, woodworking room, an office above a complete bathroom, and several large doors. I was invisioning a metal building and I don't recall dimensions, but 100x80 seems to ring a bell!

J.D.

[akaFrankCastle]

Just some lunch time doodling on a free blueprint site. 48'x36'. Greys on the left and top are work benches. Grey square is a 4'x4' welding table. 3 car stalls.

[hockeydad4-22]

I do not think I would use the in floor radiant heat. To many times I want to anchor something to the floor (tubing bender, work benches, grinders, drill press.....) And with my luck every single time I rand a bit into the concrete, I wold hit a pipe. Nope, I would go with the radiant heat above, plenty of heat and fewer issues.

My list:
Separated from the house and household parking.
40' X 40' with 1 double overhead door (10' tall) and 1 single 10' overhead door - drive through
Well insulated - make that VERY WELL insulated both for thermal and sound.
Outside shed - for compressor and parts storage
PLENTY of power - figure out how much you think you will need then triple it.
Slight sloping floor to drain (hate having puddles all over the floor from snow melt, washing etc.)
Light - lots of it, on several switches
steel and wood work bench
tool storage, including locking cabinets for valuable tools
operable windows - to let in some fresh air from time to time without opening the door
Hose faucet
wash/slop sink
Heat and A/C for those hot summer months
High ceilings - one side for a lift, the other for a storage loft
Skylights - take advantage of the natural light as much as possible.
Alarm system including serious audible and strobe feature as well as automatic notification of authorities if it is activated.
Might look into fire sprinkler as well. Just in case....

[Jesus_man]

Zack, what do you have on the bottom right corner? I like the ideas of windows, but I would place them high so no one could look in, and not somewhere to take up wall space. I assume it is a window. I'd put smaller ones between bays and give yourself a little more truck door room on the far left of the building. 26ft from work bench to door will be tight with your truck. I think you'll want a couple extra feet there.

My Dad just built a shop a year ago. Don't recall the dimensions, maybe 35x40 or something. I advised him to go bigger since it's much cheaper now than later. He'll admit it is too small. He has his power wagon project on one side, his Jeep and ATV's on the other and very little room to work on things. Another 10ft wider would have made a world of difference. I also wouldn't mind one 10ft door and one 18ft door, assuming that's a standard size. Use the smaller door for the more commonly used rig.

I like the placement of your commode so that you could surprise a surprise visitor from the pot! LOL!

J.D.

[akaFrankCastle]

I do not think I would use the in floor radiant heat. To many times I want to anchor something to the floor (tubing bender, work benches, grinders, drill press.....) And with my luck every single time I rand a bit into the concrete, I wold hit a pipe. Nope, I would go with the radiant heat above, plenty of heat and fewer issues.

My list:
Separated from the house and household parking. Agreed
40' X 40' with 1 double overhead door (10' tall) and 1 single 10' overhead door - drive through
Well insulated - make that VERY WELL insulated both for thermal and sound. Sound is a higher priority for me than thermal. I can handle the heat and the cold. I don't want to deal with someone telling me things are too loud.
Outside shed - for compressor and parts storage
PLENTY of power - figure out how much you think you will need then triple it.
Slight sloping floor to drain (hate having puddles all over the floor from snow melt, washing etc.)
Light - lots of it, on several switches
steel and wood work bench
tool storage, including locking cabinets for valuable tools
operable windows - to let in some fresh air from time to time without opening the door
Hose faucet Good thinking. Something to hook up a hose and wash down the floors, etc.
wash/slop sink
Heat and A/C for those hot summer months
High ceilings - one side for a lift, the other for a storage loft Exactly my thoughts as well. Torn between the idea of an outside staircase or more open loft with ladder to enter.
Skylights - take advantage of the natural light as much as possible. Good thinking!
Alarm system including serious audible and strobe feature as well as automatic notification of authorities if it is activated. If/when this happens, it will occur on a piece of land big enough that anyone on it who doesn't share the same last name as me will be considered a trespasser. I don't want to scare off the game. But it would come in handy for those times I am not home.
Might look into fire sprinkler as well. Just in case....Another great thought.

[akaFrankCastle]

Zack, what do you have on the bottom right corner? I like the ideas of windows, but I would place them high so no one could look in, and not somewhere to take up wall space. I assume it is a window. I'd put smaller ones between bays and give yourself a little more truck door room on the far left of the building. 26ft from work bench to door will be tight with your truck. I think you'll want a couple extra feet there.

My Dad just built a shop a year ago. Don't recall the dimensions, maybe 35x40 or something. I advised him to go bigger since it's much cheaper now than later. He'll admit it is too small. He has his power wagon project on one side, his Jeep and ATV's on the other and very little room to work on things. Another 10ft wider would have made a world of difference. I also wouldn't mind one 10ft door and one 18ft door, assuming that's a standard size. Use the smaller door for the more commonly used rig.

I like the placement of your commode so that you could surprise a surprise visitor from the pot! LOL!

J.D.

Winders. My intent for that corner would be somewhat of an open floor plan with tools/power equipment located there. Bench grinder, tubing bender, band saw, plasma, etc. Wasn't planning to utilize any wall space in that area to keep everything fluid and rearrangeable.

Just pulled up the dimensions for the 2003 Crew Cab, Short Bed 4x4 and it shows 20.5 feet. Still a little tight with only 5.5' of maneuver room between the benches and the front. Might push the north end out a little bit.

Might eliminate one of the garage doors/stalls and go with a two stall design to maximize space in between.

[akaFrankCastle]

One thing I noticed is the garage door template I used on that site is a 8' wide door. I'm thinking more like a commercial grade roll up in the 10-11' range, so one of those doors will be eliminated.

[Gunnibronco]

My garage doors face north, I wish the garage was turned & they faced south. It would be nice to open the doors & let light & warmth. Also less ice would form on the concrete "ramps" into the garage.

If I had a dream garage, it would have floor "pots" to chain cars down for pulling/straitening, so no in floor heat. As well as bolting tools/lifts down.

Dish/cable/internet/phone/etc.

[Jesus_man]

One thing I noticed is the garage door template I used on that site is a 8' wide door. I'm thinking more like a commercial grade roll up in the 10-11' range, so one of those doors will be eliminated.

Yeah, by the time you consider towing mirrors, you be hard pressed to get your truck in the garage with an 8ft. 9ft would be minimum. I tried to get my truck in the 8ft door at my house. Impossible since a tree made a straight on approach unattainable. But VERY tight even if you had a straight shot.

Garage doors facing North do suck, but mine faced SW and there were times in the evenings, I had to shut the doors or the sunlight would fool with my auto-darkening welding helmet. Not a big deal if you have proper lighting, but sometimes it was nice to have a cool breeze blowing thru.

So...when do we break ground?

[akaFrankCastle]

My garage doors face north, I wish the garage was turned & they faced south. It would be nice to open the doors & let light & warmth. Also less ice would form on the concrete "ramps" into the garage.

If I had a dream garage, it would have floor "pots" to chain cars down for pulling/straitening, so no in floor heat. As well as bolting tools/lifts down.

Dish/cable/internet/phone/etc.

I do love the safe facing house I am in now. Never have to shovel the drive. Meanwhile, my neighbors have sheets of ice on theirs.

Internet is a definite must. I'm thinking the old desk top computer with a small LCD TV mounted to the wall for a monitor. Makes reading wiring diagrams and watching how-to videos easier.

[akaFrankCastle]

So...when do we break ground?

About 2 months after we buy the new house. So, 15 years from now in this economy. Or late next year if everything goes according to plan.

[Dukietown]

If we're talking completely dream garage I'd have to go with something like what this guy built.






That whole building is all garage + a small guest apartment. The door on the far right that you can see in the 3rd pic is for the RV garage.

Here's the build thread: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/show ... p?t=147690 Very worthy!

[ZOSO]

I've seen that one. It's ones like that are why I don't read garage journal much.